November 22, 2005

In Defense of the Nice Guy

It's sad, but true. A guy shows up with flowers, treats a girl to dinner, offers his interest, respect and affection -- and what does he get in return? Rejection. Because nice guys have everything a girl wants and yet she doesn't want him at all. Ruthie Kelly, a writer out of San Diego, speaks out in defense of the nice guy:

The dating columns printed in The Daily Aztec Tempo section ("How the good guys can still have great success with girls" and "Too much nice gets stale fast," Nov. 3) depressed me immensely.

The section featured two articles. One gave "nice guys" advice to supposedly help them get more girls - advice amounting to: Don't be too nice because it's equated with desperation. In the second column, the author described her brief relationship with a nice guy that became "stale" because "it was just too easy." What a disheartening and painful revelation about our social hierarchy.

It's baffling why the "nice guy" image is portrayed as being repulsive. Girls complain that he brought them flowers and candy, took them on expensive dates, had intellectual conversations, seemed genuinely interested in what she had to say and respected her as a person. At this point, I stare in blank confusion. Where, I wonder, lies the problem? According to the column by Maggie Grainger, there was no challenge in her relationship, and as a result, she got bored. What a blow to the male psyche: Nice is boring. Women complain that men objectify us, but seemingly their purpose is entertainment. There is no relationship in that - you get that from a television set.

The other column by Devin Kunysz was equally telling. Apparently, chivalry came from despairing, ugly guys who had nothing else going for them - not out of a sense of respect for women. The column discouraged guys from "overdoing" compliments and thoughtful gestures. As careful as the author was to emphasize that this did not entail becoming a jerk, the message still implied an attitude of indifference, which is absolutely unnecessary. I don't know about other girls, but every time a guy holds a door open for me I thank him loud and clear. Considerate gestures are rare, and such behavior should be encouraged.

The above are symptoms of an American disease that is seldom addressed.

Source: http://www.thedailyaztec.com/media/paper741/news/2005/11/07/Opinion/Dating.In.America.Is.Severely.Afflicted-1047129.shtml


Posted by ScoreHer at November 22, 2005 10:48 PM
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2 points from a nice guy:
1) It's not being nice that's keeping the girls away, it's what your covering up with that fascade. Are clumsy socially? Does your niceness read as fake or desperate? You can still be nice and not come off as all those negatives.
2) Then again. I have had more luck when the girl feels she needs to work a little for my affection.
Cheers

Posted by: Steve at November 7, 2005 2:46 PM

I agree. Being nice is too often equated with giving a lady what she wants. Not only does a lady often not know what she wants, but she doesn't want some guy constantly agreeing with her and anticipating her needs. You can be respectful of a lady without dumping wads of cash or being a wimpy yes-man. Any single guy will buy her a drink. Only certain men will make her laugh and earn her respect.

Posted by: Colin at November 28, 2005 1:00 PM

Hi, my name is Ruthie, and that's my article you're touting. I've written several articles on dating and gender conflict for my college's newspaper, and it't my understanding that if you want to republish it you should contact me, or the paper itself, and ask permission. I will be contacting your webmaster and my paper as well.

I'd also like to protest the fact that you've used this article completely out of context and only copied HALF of it. In the other half, I go on to point out to nice guys that they whine about girls who are high maintanence not being happy with them, when in reality they're going after the hott girls just like everybody else does and then complaining that she doesn't see their "inner beauty" or whatever it is guys have, when they don't do that to plain girls. That's hypocritical and annoying. Read the rest of the article and note that while I'm chastising girls for being contradictory, I'm also talking to guys who are being the same.

Posted by: Ruthie Kelly at December 8, 2005 9:23 PM

I'd like to point out that being "overly nice" isn't just boring, it's altruistic. Women, to the best of my understanding, don't like altruism in men because men with that trait are not likely to be successful. The most successful relationships are going to be give and take and well balanced. Nobody wants to be in a relationship where the "nice" favors are building into a deficit spending situation. Once anyone goes past "fair" it's hard to see the relationship as anything but abuse and in so doing it hurts self image.

Posted by: W.M. at December 11, 2005 12:03 AM

This is the writer of the other, "equally telling" article in the Daily Aztec tempo section. In my article I did not say that niceness comes from ugly desperate guys. Rather, I made the point that women in general equate niceness with desperation.
If a man shows his interest with lots of nice gestures, gifts, expensive dates, etc. women often feel guilty, pressured, or any number of emotions other than those that men want the lady feeling: namely, like she is having fun and would like to do this again. That was why I made the point that niceness often comes off the wrong way.
However, I never once said that nice is a bad thing. Pulling out chairs, paying, occasional gifts (when earned), are fine. but it should be genuine, and the women should have to work for it, meaning you shouldn't shower her with attention when she hasn't done anything to deserve it.

Posted by: Devin Kunysz at March 11, 2006 5:37 PM

It's not true that nice guys get rejected all the time, just up until their late 20's. See, a horrifying thing happens to late 20's/ early 30's women called "baby rabies". This is when a woman in the said age bracket either has a kid from a brief sexual encounter or marries the nice, emasculated guy and, evidenced by the recently dicovered 30% probability of paternity fraud, has a child from an alpha male; the identity of the child unbeknownst to the husband. Still, however, the everlasting niceguy foots the bill for "his" child and his strong independent wife before becoming homeless from the divorce and dying of a stroke in his late 40's.

Posted by: the right stuff at March 16, 2006 12:41 AM

That's hilarious. I've never heard of "babies rabies" I'd like to write an article on this phenomenon. . .tell me more.

Posted by: Lana H (ScoreHer Squad) at March 17, 2006 5:38 PM