Perfect for a woman is a man with money. Until they realize that a man with money has no need for them.
At which point the woman starts screwing the pool boy.
Face it. Women have no idea what perfect is. They find themselves constantly in relationships with assholes while they cry about it on the shoulders of the men who have the qualities they consider perfect.
To think that women have higher standards than men is completely ludicrous. This is why women are constantly trying to make themselves more beautiful in this male-dominated world?
Women have what I like to call the Grass Is Always Greener complex. They are always looking for the bigger better thing. They want a man to look good, but either a)find that he takes precious time away from their bathroom usage, or b)can't go somewhere nice because a man is too rugged to do so. They have no concept of in between, they don't realize that some men can actually look good when they want to without having to be metrosexual.
They want a man with money, but can't stand a simple man, even if he does have money. They are drawn to material possessions, this is why diamonds are a girls best friend.
Anyways, as much as I can keep going on and on about this point, I'd just like to say that as much as I hate a woman's imperfect quirks for hating a man's imperfection, I love women for the same reasons.

You narrowed minded, ahh you make me so angry. You have no idea what a women wants, or what she thinks, feels. You want to know why we are so called "screwing the pool boy" coz apparently men like you who have no respect for woman. At least the pool boy can make us feel good!!!LOL. Seriously man you think all of us are out there to look good in your so called "male dominating world", it aint true.
I adore my guy, he may not earn top dollar figure it doesn't matter to me, nor to many women out there but he has so many characteristics which i can't resist he is open minded, an amazing person, he repects woman not because they have a vagina but because they are human. However i do agree with you n that women do not have higher standards, i don't believe that is true.
I would like to put a question to you brad, Do you really think its just woman have the "Grass is always greener complex?" If you had to choose between someone like someone with beauty, money, fame etc or someone who was genuine, made you laugh, had an average income and was maybe not as gorgeous as angelina jolie. What would you do? Take a hard look in the mirror man and think before you speak!

Bah, what Girl dosen't understand is that relationships take WORK! A person has to be pro-active in their and their spouses happiness.

See, it's very easy to be in a relationship the fisrt year or two. During this time both parties are so blinded by their love for each other that all the 'problems' are ignored or overlooked.

Its after this initial time that it starts becoming labourous to be in that very same relationship that just a few moths ago was a joy to be in.

'The gress is greener' complex comes from the idea that as soon some people have to actually try and put forth REAL effort in the name of a relationship, everything else around him or her starts to look much more easier and thus, more satisfying.

This applies to both parties; guys and girls.

The point is, is that no one is going to make someone else completely happy for too long (aka 'the one'), if both parties don't TRY(and I mean try hard) to make each other happy. There's always going to be problems(and I cannot stree this point enough), but its how you deal with them as a couple thats going to decide weather or not you stay together or get divorced.

Swivelhips hit it on the head here - relationships take work, alot of work. A good relationship is made on the days you want to strangle the other person, because it's how we respond to the rough times that make it possible for the good days.

Ex: When the girl is PMSing. She can't stop, it's not her fault she's moody and mad at you for nothing, but if you step up and treat her nice even though she's being bitchy to you, she will really appreciate it and take care of you too.

All that said, it sure helps if you're both compatible and working from the same page.

meh,
all I know is once the tables turn (guy dumps a girl) its all "HOW DARE HE" with her and her friends, but she could have had her eyes on someone else for weeks till that moment.
Guys do yourself a favor as soon as it "feels" wrong....dump her, cause shes gonna dump you. I dont even need to try to defend that point cause you all know what im talking about.

well hey, person that doesn't leave a name but insists on insulting me, i'm glad you find me narrow-minded, and i'm glad i make you angry.
being blunt and honest is my best quality, and if you find that disrespectful, how about i lie to your face and when you catch me, you can bitch and complain for days on end?
if you failed to read the actual point the girl made, let me re-iterate it for you:
"...those little immature, dirty, clutzy, dumbass things that guys do."
ahhh... imperfections. we can deal with your insecurities as a woman, but us being men isn't quite good enough for you?
"The problem is that men are complacent with relationships that obviously aren't working on a larger scale."
complacent. so if we're not in a huge rush to get married to someone and work for the rest of our lives to support them so they can realize that they never had an independant life and choose to divorce us and take half our belongings makes us complacent? if we're going to spend the rest of our lives together, why do we need to speed things along right away? i'm very willing to get married, but you and i better be sure that it's going to work, and that takes TIME.
"Either they are too reliant on guaranteed sex or too afraid to make the girl cry and let her go."
guaranteed sex does not equal good sex. for the same reason women put up with bad sex, men do as well. i've faked it.
oh, and if i'm scared to make you cry, it's probably because you've shown your suicidal side, and i don't want to be the reason for your premature death from your week long ice cream binge accident.
"There's a difference between an imperfect relationship and an unfeasible relationship."
I completely agree. but in our "complacent" state, we were more than willing to let things pan out and see if the problems work themselves out instead of looking for the quickest exit.
it's very simple. women are complex. men are simple. women want perfection, men want comfort. women need to realize that yes, men are attracted to beautiful women, but that it's also a fantasy because most men have realized at an early age that they'll never get a Jessica Simpson. you women need to stop getting so ass-hurt over every little detail and learn to be comfortable. why do you think we have holes in all our favorite clothes (boxers included)? because they're comfortable.
if all that makes me narrow-minded, i'm glad i never asked you out, cuz i'd end up taking you home halfway through dinner.

Sorry that's where you drive me insane, I just want to shake you and tell you ALL WOMEN are not like that. You come across to me in believing that women our out there to take your money, make your life living hell and destroy every part of your being!

Have you met someone who you just are comfortable with, Chill out watch telly in trackies? Have game nights (Play station or whatever)? Chat about things that don't matter? E.g. why is the sky blue etc. Had a difference of opinion? Not an argument as such but have independent thoughts pleading your case and finding that in the end you can never come to an agreement fester about it for awhile. Crazy bitterness that the other party is so wrong then agrees to disagree and go out for dinner enjoy each others company. (Where I will pay for my dinner, thank you very much) I like comfort, I like having that repro with my partner it makes me feel better than any present or pay cheque ever could. It's not a matter of a being comfortable though its being yourself I mean really yourself with another human being.

Women are complex but so are men, it is dam difficult sometimes to figure it out what's going on inside their heads, We try dress up and try to look our best spend hours getting ready, then get 'oh yeah you look fine' or a grunt. Come on guys! Or surprise you with a gift / sexual experience you have been hinted at, nice gesture you just seem to 'expect it' maybe not the correct wording. However there is no appreciation sometimes, that's when women get into hormonal drive – nag, whine etc. Then its to this wonderful cliché of women are dramatic crazy and down right bitter and men apparently do no wrong then bitch about us. Ironic huh

I agree with you (which I find disturbing, LOL) marriage is huge and at this time in my life kind of scares me. I'm all for waiting to find out well if I want to spend the rest of my life with that person (as the vows mention). I'm not analyzing his pay cheques to see if it increases and find it does, so I will stick around. 'Coz baby money is not going to make me happy' Sorry to ruin your view on that one.

Then you might come back with or think that she is just saying all this to prove a point coz women don't like to be proven wrong – well something along those lines. In that case we can argue for a very long time and frankly I don't have the energy! I have no reason to lie to you nor do I have a right to tell you that you are wrong and I am right! To tell the truth I don't think there is wrong or right answer and have thoroughly enjoyed this debate if I say so myself. Learnt a bit about the male mind. At least our dinners wouldn't be mundane, drawn out boring conversations even if you dropped me home half way through it!

P.s not putting my name down was not intentional – just plain dizzy moment, women are just really wonderful creatures as you so delightfully put it!

Searching for 'the one' is a bit of a myth. Girls are supposed to have dreamed about their wedding since preschool, planned their proms into perfection, and pine for the knight on the white horse to swoop them away over the horizon. In reality, most girls just want a guy they can relate to, laugh with, and have excellent sex with. I've never met a woman who meets men with the idea that he'll be The One, perfect and charming, and they'll be happy until the end of time. Like with anything else, girls know there will be some give and take.

your words:
"It's not a matter of a being comfortable though its being yourself I mean really yourself with another human being."

that's what comfortable means.

men are not complex. women just dont understand how simple men really are. when we say you look fine, it means exactly that, no secret decoder ring needed. sorry to burst your bubble women, but men are not going to talk to you for an hour when they can say four words and get the point across. we're not women.

no appreciation? you think men like cuddling? i couldve sworn we did that for you. or how about spooning? when i'm trying to sleep, i dont need your extra body heat making my nuts sweat so much they stick to my leg. There's a reason most men have just the basics on their bed: pillow, sheets, comforter.

we dont appreciate you? valentine's day equals thursday to us. why thursday? would you rather me say tuesday? or how about monday? it's just another day for us, but it's special for you.

or how about those stupid monthly anniversaries? every month? and thats for us?

oh here's a little secret: when we want to hang out with our buddies, we only bring you along because you want to be there. we dont want you there. the same goes for you watching football with us.

dont ever say we dont do anything for you, because we do the biggest thing of all for you which you have no idea how hard it is for us to do because of the way men are conditioned by society. we change for you. but you women always fail to notice those changes, so next time we fail to notice that you highlighted a single strand of your hair, bite your lip.

and no, you havent ruined my view on anything, because yes, there are women out there who are turly genuine; but even their eyes would light up at even the slightest gleam from a diamond. and you can't tell me thats not true.

you've pegged me wrong, though. i love women. all women. even the gold diggers. i've already said this.

but i tells it how i sees it, and thats what the world's showing me today.

Well I hope the world shows you something different tomorrow. The crazy thing is men do change but they do it coz they want to do it, or they feel they have too! Which is a shame but in saying that women give them the impression to change - more romantic all that sorta bull shit. Once change has made we don't feel attracted to them. Ironoic, irrational i know. Im gulity of it but hey im learning. I guess in a way this is what you have been saying all along. However i still think your views are far fetched your point about men don't like cuddling interferring with your sweaty nuts (cringe) The men that don't like to comfort their woman are just not looking for a ongoing relationship. Probably don't feel that close to the woman other than the physical attraction. Women light up when you present a diamond. What do you want us to slap you in face, make a rude comment or ask why is not bigger? Its called graditude man. It was their decision to give the girl a diamond we dont force you in the jewelery store(cant speak for every girl of course - always expections to each rule)That situation could be reverse a female gives a man football season pass or something. Would you not show appreciation on that gift?

You are making men out to be robots, no emotion just sex please. Some girl must got you bad buddy. Thanks though its definaly been an eye opener for me. Good luck with everything

i think mallrats summed it up best with the spooning monologue. watch it.

how does saying what we mean and not talking for an hour when four words will do make men robots? it's called being simple.

the fact is, men aren't women. we don't like shopping, we dont like cuddling, we don't like spooning. we do it for women. why cant you understand that?

it seems like a very simple concept. it has nothing to do with not wanting to comfort a woman. it has to do with us not enjoying it. yet we do it anyway. you ever notice how we're never cuddling when you wake up? it's because we waited for you to fall asleep so you wouldnt notice us slip away to sleep in peace.

who put the price on diamonds? the men who bought the diamond, or the woman who wouldnt spend the rest of her life with the man who wouldnt buy the diamond? sorry, but i'm pretty sure it was the woman.

btw, i didnt even hint that men are only in it for sex, so we can see your generalized view of men as a whole.

anyways, im done. i'm gonna go take a dump, leave dirty dishes in the sink to be cleaned tomorrow, watch a john wayne movie while drinking some beers, burp loudly and wait for my girlfriend to fall asleep so i actually have a peaceful sleep.

I'm sorry but I just think the back-and-forth of these comments just proves the point - the point:counterpoint presents two fairly extreme examples of male/female attitudes in my opinion, and the main antagonists above both show similarly charicatured viewpoints on the subject. Brad is a fool to assume he speaks for the average male, since most of what he says is simple, uninformed, close-minded and uber-masculine. It conforms to society's male template which he complains about. Frankly it's all a bit silly, and i disagree with most of what both people have said - I'm a guy, and I like cuddling, spooning, snuggling, hugging, waking up with my arms around somebody - sorry if that makes me slightly effete but I thought it was pretty normal to want to love and protect whoever you're sleeping with.

This is all bullshit. Who gives a rat's ass what women like or men want or who's more sensitive. If men and women would finaly come to realize that they were made for each other and started thinking of each other instead of them selves, then relationships would be so much better dealt with. Women, consider taking care of your man. Men, Consider taking care of you woman. It's worth the risk.